Re: [81attendees] are we getting complacent? Good job!

[Randall Gellens <[e-mail]>]

At 5:47 PM -0400 8/3/11, Ted Lemon wrote:

>  I don't mean to criticize excessively, but the complaints about how 
> hard Hiroshima was to get to pretty much blew my mind.   It was not 
> only easy, but pleasant.   The people who had trouble were the ones 
> who refused to use ground transportation, even though ground 
> transportation in Japan is much better than air transport.

I think this statement minimizes the problems some people had, and 
unfairly makes it all their own fault.  Personally, I did a lot of 
research, but to avoid an overnight in NRT/TKO had to take a 
once-a-day domestic connection, then a taxi, then a train, then 
another taxi.  It wasn't easy or pleasant, and relied heavily on 
ground transport.  Relying entirely on ground transport would have 
added another day.  (I admit I could also have taken a different 
carrier which had different destinations, but that meant forgoing an 
upgrade plus other problems.)

>     Traveling to IETF requires a bit of advance planning.   If you 
> do the homework, which mostly involves asking people who know the 
> area what to do, you get there, and it's not a problem.   If you 
> don't, you have a difficult time.

I disagree and find the statement patronizing.  Doing research can 
allow one to attempt to select the best option, but that may still 
involve problems.

>  I would complain pretty loudly if I had to go to Dallas for every 
> IETF-there's no food, and you have to rent a car, because there is 
> no public transport, and the hotels are all out in the middle of 
> nowhere.

I agree.

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Randall Gellens
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