Re: [81attendees] diverse meeting locations (was: are we getting complacent? Good job!)

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 09 August 2011 05:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [81attendees] diverse meeting locations (was: are we getting complacent? Good job!)
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On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> 8 people out of 50 raise their hand. How is the chair or AD to know that 40 of those 50 are just tourists?  It looks like the group has said "meh".

"Who has read the draft?"

four hands go up

"Out of those, who thinks this is useful work?"

four hands go up

"Who thinks this is a bad idea?"

no hands go up

That, unfortunately, is what consensus sometimes looks like.   You have to gauge who's actually participating before you start looking for consensus.