Re: [81attendees] The perennial air connection/ hub airport discussion (was: Re: are we getting complacent? Good job!)

> I think it is reasonable to be _much_ more concerned about
> intermodal changes.   Not only are, e.g., plane-> train changes
> often time-consuming but, because there is rarely any schedule
> coordination between carriers, it is hard to sort tickets out
> remotely for some countries (but not others), and the change
> often involves dragging luggage around (not merely collecting it
> and redepositing it some meters away).  Note that is an
> objection to the transfer process (especially when exhausted
> after a long trip), not to trains (which are usually great in
> countries in which they actually work -- opinions about which
> countries those are differ somewhat).

I could apply many of the arguments above to inter airline transfer at ORD for incoming international travelers. In that respect, I'd much rather do a change from plane to train at Brussels that a transit between terminals at ORD.

At the end of the day, there are no absolute answers to this. All one can do for any candidate location is take a sample of visitors and see what their candidate travel plans might be, and as a result, identify any downsides in terms of time, cost, lost baggage, etc.

And overriding these is always the "I haven't been to this location before and it seems like a nice part of the world" factor! When can we have another meeting in Australia?

Keith

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 81attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:81attendees-bounces@ietf.org]
> On Behalf Of John C Klensin
> Sent: 04 August 2011 14:36
> To: Murray S. Kucherawy; 81attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: [81attendees] The perennial air connection/ hub airport
> discussion (was: Re: are we getting complacent? Good job!)
> 
> 
> 
> --On Wednesday, August 03, 2011 20:49 -0700 "Murray S.
> Kucherawy" <msk@cloudmark.com> wrote:
> 
> >...
> >> plus transit time /in/ ORD. Changing planes typically adds at
> >> least 2-3 hours to the total trip time, counting landing and
> >> takeoff and in-airport transfer.
> >
> > I do about six conferences a year and I can't remember the
> > last time I was given a layover anywhere close to that long.
> > Mine are typically anywhere from 50 to 90 minutes, assuming no
> > delays or missed connections.  Sometimes I actually wish they
> > were longer.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> With the understanding that I share what I understand to be
> Ole's and Fred's position that the particular focus on plane
> changes has become a bit silly, I've found that "normal"
> intra-line airline schedules for transfers at ORD are often made
> at a dead run -- sometimes much less than 50-90 minutes.   I've
> often had to insist on earlier flights out to provide what I
> consider a reasonable margin of safety against missing a
> connection if the inbound flight is delayed but, at that point,
> I'm to blame for the longer layover, not the airline or airport.
> 
> The situation changes if I'm inbound on an international flight
> and have to go through customs and immigration at ORD (or
> anywhere else) and then have to pro forma recheck luggage, but
> that is a rather different problem.  All things being equal, I
> prefer to not have to check in for another flight and get back
> on a plane after a long international flight and dealing with
> bureaucrats, but, given considerations others have discussed, I
> accept the periodic inevitability of that.
> 
> I think it is reasonable to be _much_ more concerned about
> intermodal changes.   Not only are, e.g., plane-> train changes
> often time-consuming but, because there is rarely any schedule
> coordination between carriers, it is hard to sort tickets out
> remotely for some countries (but not others), and the change
> often involves dragging luggage around (not merely collecting it
> and redepositing it some meters away).  Note that is an
> objection to the transfer process (especially when exhausted
> after a long trip), not to trains (which are usually great in
> countries in which they actually work -- opinions about which
> countries those are differ somewhat).
> 
>    john
> 
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