Re: [Last-Call] Change of position: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Pete Resnick <> Thu, 27 October 2022 21:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Change of position: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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On 27 Oct 2022, at 15:47, John C Klensin wrote:

> --On Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:39 -0500 Pete Resnick
> <> wrote:
>> Revocation of posting rights does not require that we never
>> see posts from this person.
> Completely agreed for all mailing lists other than those called
> out in the PR-action Last Call notice.    If what you are saying
> is "let's force him off the enumerated set of mailing lists and
> then see what happens with other lists to which he might
> contribute", I can see some sense in that... Except that at
> least one of those lists --the one-- is something
> we at least used to tell people was important for full
> participation in the IETF.

Then perhaps the "balance" you are looking for is, "Suspend posting 
rights on the enumerated lists only to the extent that his posts are 
explicitly moderated instead of simply being discarded, and encourage 
chairs of other lists to limit their actions to the same." I see nothing 
in BCP 83 that forbids this outcome. If the behavior seems to have 
improved over (insert time of your liking), post another PR-Action 
withdrawing the suspension.

Pete Resnick
All connections to the world are tenuous at best