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Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> Wed, 05 October 2022 06:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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On 05.10.22 08:47, Adam Roach wrote:
> Let’s be fair. Lloyd was responding to Dan, not the BCP 83 last call.

We are in essence being asked to pass judgment on an individual based on 
a pattern of behavior, and that is exactly what Lloyd's message 
demonstrates.  So perhaps we should draw the line a bit finer:

  * Did Dan's messages cross the line?
  * Do they continue to cross the line?

And that's it.  And we don't need to be part of it.  Again, this is a 
professional organization, not the Roman Senate.

Eliot

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