Re: [Last-Call] On satire, sarcasm, etc (was: Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins)

"Bless, Roland (TM)" <> Thu, 27 October 2022 20:21 UTC

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On 27.10.22 at 19:30 Dan Harkins wrote:
>    I did not write the email you refer to but your email suggests
> I did. Care to correct the record?
>    thanks,

I actually didn't say that you wrote this message (and it's pretty 
obvious if you follow the link). My statement was more of a general
nature and it was just *another example* of these
kind of unhelpful offending messages – this time not authored by you.
So I have absolutely no problem to explicitly state that the quoted URL
is referring to a message that you did not write and it was not my 
intention to suggest that.


> On 10/27/22 9:56 AM, Bless, Roland (TM) wrote:
>> Hi,
>> this discussion is actually drifting away from an important
>> aspect. It is actually not about satire, sarcasm, first or second
>> language etc. It is about unprofessional behavior: there has been
>> numerous feedback on Dan's messages that people obviously found them
>> transgressing. Dan simply should have stopped continuing using satire,
>> sarcasm, but continued to deliberately write offending messages.
>> Sowing discord is unprofessional (as in the recent message here
>> Regards,
>>  Roland
>> On 27.10.22 at 17:09 Keith Moore wrote:
>>> On 10/27/22 09:36, Bron Gondwana wrote:
>>>> The IETF choses to do its work in English, though that choice is 
>>>> likewise not more "justified" than other choices, it's just  what 
>>>> the majority likes.  And we can likewise, as the IETF, choose to use 
>>>> a subset of English forms of communication, such that our style is 
>>>> most widely understood, and least likely to be misunderstood.
>>> Yes, we (the community) can make that choice.   But we have not 
>>> (yet?) made that choice, so it's currently unreasonable to sanction 
>>> people for using such techniques.
>>> (And if we do make that choice, the decision won't be made on this 
>>> list.)
>>> Keith