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Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]

Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Mon, 03 October 2022 15:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] OT: change BCP 83 [Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]
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Polemics? Ridicule? They're ad hominem attacks, and they are not in good faith.

it's bullying, plain and simple.

Harkins is a bully, and the action against Harkins is more than warranted and long overdue.

Lloyd Wood
lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk

> On 4 Oct 2022, at 01:49, Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 4:43 PM Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
> 
>> It occurs to me that perhaps people's experiences with other online 
>> discussion fora in the past 20 years or so have conditioned or changed 
>> people's expectations of behavior on IETF mailing lists. People are who 
>> are burned out from toxicity in other fora may now be much less tolerant 
>> of varying opinions on IETF lists than we once were.   But we still need 
>> that tolerance to function.
> 
> I question the characterization of the raw materials under consideration here as mere "varying opinions".  The target of the PR action has proudly stated that his tactics involve the use of ridicule.  I prefer the term "polemics", but either way, it's not as simple as a difference of opinion.
> 
> If we're going to accept that euphemism, then I suggest we need to stop tossing around the word "censorship" as well.
> 
> -MSK
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