Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Fri, 24 July 2020 12:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
To: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
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Lars Eggert wrote on 24/07/2020 13:32:
> Sure, an occasional change in terminology is only a small step.
as a general observation, languages and customs evolve continuously, and 
things that were written 100 or even 50 years ago often strike us as 
discriminatory or use terms which are now considered offensive to one 
degree or another.  It would be unusual not to change aspects of 
terminology over time.

Nick