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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Wed, 29 July 2020 04:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
From: Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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> On Jul 28, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
> 
> ...
> "Folks" is one of very few words we have that are gender-neutral for
> plural second person.

“You” is second person plural, gender neutral. It’s also a pronoun.

“Folks” is a noun, not a pronoun. Nouns have no “person” in English.  It can be replaced with “people”, “parents”, or “family", depending on context - all of.which are also gender neutral nouns,

Joe

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