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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Dick Franks <rwfranks@gmail.com> Wed, 29 July 2020 16:08 UTC

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From: Dick Franks <rwfranks@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:07:29 +0100
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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>, Frode Kileng <frodek@tele.no>, IETF Best Practices <ietf@ietf.org>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 13:15, Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
wrote:

>
>     : But, considering that most other people, both blacks and whites,
>     : in US are enjoying Thriller, the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars
>     : and all the fantasies and FRPGs with such words of "dark lord",
>     : "black magician" and "dark side of force", there is no such
>     : culture in US to avoid saying black/dark with negative meaning.
>
> I am responding to the last line of this.  It is factually incorrect.
> Others have asked you about this as well.  I am a native-born American.
>

But the real point lies in the first part of the sentence.

The substantial proportion of the US population that enjoy such fantasies
must have an expectation or acceptance that black/dark has a negative
meaning; otherwise the fantasy scenario makes no sense at all.



> "This is no such culture in the US to avoid saying black/dark with
> negative meaning"  This is factually wrong.  It is a generalization. There
> is a strong, and growing, culture within the US to avoid these terms in
> technical documentation.
>

i.e. currently fashionable
Merely a passing phase, like a teenager with blackheads.

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