Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Sat, 08 August 2020 04:28 UTC

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:54:40 -0400
From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
To: Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org>
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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2020, Dan Harkins wrote:

>   If we allow the listener to decide whether the speaker's words are shitty
> (and that their ambient shittiness needs to be reduced-- I know what you
> mean here in your impreciseness and I would appreciate it if you were to
> say it explicitly) we will further empower victimhood.

Your proposed action could literally be the example in the dictionary
for the word "bullying":

 	seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).

Paul