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Re: USA dominion: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Sun, 26 July 2020 13:38 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
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Subject: Re: USA dominion: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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  *   We can't even use "bipeds" because it's insulting to people who have lost a leg or are otherwise incapable of bipedal motor


  *   Of course "colleague" has it's own problems - it implies that one assumes that all of one's addressees have opinions of equal worth.
I do not know if you two are joking, just going to extremes to make a point, or are really sincere, but you are mistaking the effort.

The point is not to avoid *any* word that could offend someone.  It is about being open and adaptable, so that when a group comes forward we try to accommodate them.  And we make it clear, by our actions, that we are willing to listen and be inclusive.

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