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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:28:51 +0000
From: lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org" <lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org>, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: USA dominion: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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Rich
I’m quite serious. I have stated this before, on this list, to an audience that you would think would care about this.
I cannot speak for others here.


Lloyd Woodlloyd.wood@yahoo.co,uk

On Sunday, July 26, 2020, 00:09, Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

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   - As I’ve stated previously on this list, I view “folks” as a trigger, as it imposes passive-aggressive patronising distancing, and it’s certainly not as inclusionary as you might think. A word best avoided, in my view.
 
  
 
This is an honest question: are you serious?  Are there others who feel this way?

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