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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Tue, 28 July 2020 18:56 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>, "lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk" <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
Thread-Topic: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:56:31 +0000
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>     It is difficult to determine which of the two opinions about slang 
    and contractions is true.

Let's compare the two.

    >>More to the point, educated people will use the slang and 
    >>contractions when they are attempting to convince and win over 
    >>people they believe to be uneducated or inferior.

This says everyone.

    >Not all.  Sometimes we are trying to establish a rapport by using 

This  says some do not.


>   The usual response, in the IETF, is that a complainant could assume 
    that the action (or content of a message) was in good faith.  I asked 
    someone else to review a few messages (unrelated to this 
    thread).  The messages were described as condescending.

One person, with no knowledge of the context or authors?

Do you think I am condescending?

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