Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sat, 08 August 2020 03:36 UTC

Return-Path: <sayrer@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8973A0BE4 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:36:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SvP_n3PCMXQs for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:36:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 199013A0BC1 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:36:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id t15so3859379iob.3 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 20:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=allbaBTv9EtV0lXrDxpTSH2X8RPWZMivYQO3MxogpzE=; b=Uy4HjZt6aKJ/kus1r5rp/nCX/19pNT9PvCsBd3DhuGMgyNdBRE5WyuZkRZP3yFRZcd rEri7XeWMiIQajFe9m4V08Wz/tyADSeieu6ekf8rZ4U4ROxHk7bY40W3pgDBUhcvasz/ zN8vapWn2EXWveQ+HWyFUhxCP0UVUycMSMLiFBT1i8jn5MPePVy1Xxded1qyY1/qY52K T0E6SZl2AFfspUeCzthFTRbKJbV/RE5pLSJ9mXnEjRodSLzjN8NcSVwigCIMPuGL0AHt 4lZj/ZDWESHnwWwtmt7GzT4squTC6AajIFepLP8O2qwVz0nTlfE0o9aAC0u/Hq1Bx+qC wyCw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=allbaBTv9EtV0lXrDxpTSH2X8RPWZMivYQO3MxogpzE=; b=nZjk3+Nuc6YY06iV0qD+lPd0uH6iIdr6VLhjACpW3CFle4lYHQzqKBBd3k+1MmOJt8 05+tSlUoechUm1FUZDokz/UYoesx/KICDx/7J/o+rQazELOOMpv/aloCrnRjYnnPxi+B pD3NJyFzzsJgWr+9g1BSUedme31F2JN+R9jC6lOKoTmV70TahJzcU5EMU4ugZkUlaCPK EeQ6h/I7FrxXoL/vzuFgmxNibSkoLhxEOUALGVgUWqbBCbto2bLgZWHqhyI1QflcqLOo erIZUh6bE143qAR/vIuM8vfRdJ2p9qjWvj34uy63ABSf3hDtk4IY4PbSrcTu7dhWV2O0 WlaQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5312uInz1uMVrVcLmo71pJgvXasLufBuwaZKldHrqlOqTnA0DqP4 rym7uBDxPRehVis5t+lp2x8qvDJY3KHMiEHVHO+JrY2xlFI=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzierFYLzzVe/cAut+s+AcnpE8D+xSOkPAWLBWdRPduuau8js8nJCWRd7Pl5aTS2aydaSsfuvb3sj8dF+RY5Uo=
X-Received: by 2002:a5e:870d:: with SMTP id y13mr7452064ioj.188.1596857759141; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 20:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <5692e18e-afbb-9294-1074-3b81dafe8803@network-heretics.com> <59C4CA26-A1EB-4CF4-B973-BC2BBF53A094@gmail.com> <CAL02cgTZt-9+QWPT1aWXcOgpEwuNV2uHnVi5dGm7V5y_8_U1SQ@mail.gmail.com> <0cceb0f2-b5fe-a194-7ce8-68cc537f9cd1@lounge.org> <CAL02cgTV-cfTPO2wrKz0H2E=FLhagu-qs7fwx6jXeJDH-2cSHA@mail.gmail.com> <20200807171546.GP40202@straasha.imrryr.org> <737B9515-C538-4EEB-8A5D-672987A0FE86@akamai.com> <20200807190716.GQ40202@straasha.imrryr.org> <845bd95e-0d95-a164-40f9-e9c45feed6dc@gmail.com> <6D464C5C-D9CB-47A1-A8BB-CD8CAD21B779@cooperw.in>
In-Reply-To: <6D464C5C-D9CB-47A1-A8BB-CD8CAD21B779@cooperw.in>
From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 20:35:48 -0700
Message-ID: <CAChr6SzQAO8T1g=4PtsvXwDrZ6_vhOhg64X1ZqV=D0-EnJDx1g@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
Cc: ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007d93fa05ac556b43"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/nnQ4gWeRX2m42dQNuec5jIZ6RC0>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2020 03:36:01 -0000

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:23 PM Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:

> Actually I’d like to suggest something different before anyone else
> responds, and that is to put this thread and the other related threads to
> the side for now.
>

The problem is the IETF list reads like a juvenile "Men's Rights"
subreddit. I am not sure what to do about that, but it is leaving that
impression.

thanks,
Rob