Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Tue, 11 August 2020 02:28 UTC

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Carsten Bormann wrote:

> This is not the IETF reinventing language.
> This is the IETF reacting to society reinventing language.

While some insist that language may evolve in time, it does
not mean they can change the language at will except for very
narrow society (IETF is a lot wider than it) around them.

So far, there are evidences English language accepted by most
US people has not changed in a way insisted by some.

Feel free to give some examples as evidences of changes or
insist that we should not talk about specific examples.

						Masataka Ohta