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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 27 July 2020 18:47 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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>    The metaphor has to allow arbitrary behaviour of the first stage and zero choice to anything but obedience for the second stage.

It can be explained in the prose, the words themselves needn't convey that.  To me, and I have no knowledge if that is your intent, this is a way of setting up the discussion so that changing the terms is impossible.

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