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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 10 August 2020 16:11 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
Thread-Topic: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 16:11:04 +0000
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>       I didn't ask whether we have consensus. Consensus will just determine
    whether enough other people agree with you that there are "exclusionary
    words" in RFCs. I asked you what is it about those words that you think
    are "exclusionary" that makes them "exclusionary".

Once we agree on the concept that some words are exclusionary, we can get into the nitty-gritty of figuring out which words and phrases are problematic.

>       In meetings we try to test consensus with a hum. So you're basically
    refusing to hum until you find out how the humming went. Come on Rich.
    Suddenly you're so shy?

No I'm not.  I have already said, multiple times, that I think there is problematic language and that we should address it. I do not want to get into arguing about which specific words until we settle that point because I feel it will distract from the main point.  Bike-shedding if you will.

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