Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

[S Moonesamy <[e-mail]>]

Hi Toerless,
At 10:13 AM 09-08-2020, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>Who is "your" ? Anybody who learned (american ?) english before the age of 6 ?
>
>Btw.: I disagree. Any choices beyond ubiquitously recognized reasonably
>good american english is probably an IETF community choice, and not
>one of a subset defined by upbringing.

Here are two sentences from a RFC:

   "For example, a poor person in a Third World country might keep the money
   in each mail message, regardless of whether it is spam".

   "Assuming cheap labor in a poor country can be obtained for about
    60 cents per hour, and assuming a Turing test of a 30-second duration,
    this is about 0.50 cents per test and thus 0.50 cents per message to
    send an IM spam."

The sentence is proper US English as it went through the publication 
process.  Anyone discussing those sentences at that point in time 
would be rebuked.  I took a look at the last-call mailing 
list.  There isn't much activity there except for the sponsored 
reviews.  I doubt that anyone would flag those sentences.

>In reality, i think the policies and how to interpret them will simply be
>  made by a combination of IETF leadership the minority that is able to
>most cohesively voice their opinion. Aka: the usual IETF min/max way:
>minimum effort by the people with privilege vs. maximum effort by
>others to overturn those decisions.

I see it a bit differently.  Sometimes, an opinion which might look 
convincing at first glance does not carry much weight if you (used in 
general terms) look at the facts.  The policies are usually based on 
input from less than 1% of the "community".  The breadth, in terms of 
participation, is quite narrow.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy