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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Thu, 30 July 2020 14:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
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On 2020/07/29 22:33, Salz, Rich wrote:
>> So, some might be disturbed by "blacklist" of a list of human
>> beings, though most should still be indifferent to.
> 
> Not quite.  Some might have no problem with "The Master of Flies and
> his Slaves" in a work of *fiction* but would see it as needlessly
> harmful when describing a relationship between replica's in a
> *technical document.*

Needlessly harmful not because of "Master" or "Slaves" but of "Flies"?

I can't see your point.

						 Masataka Ohta

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