Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 27 July 2020 20:28 UTC

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From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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In article <593D45F0-7452-4CAF-8478-95169205AFCB@gmail.com>,
Stewart Bryant  <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:
>No, I am describing the behaviour of one of the most fundamental hardware components in a computer.
>
>3.3.2 Master–slave edge-triggered D flip-flop
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics)#Master%E2%80%93slave_edge-triggered_D_flip-flop>
>
>It is the primary technique for crossing synchronisation boundaries.

>The historic term is master-slave, and whilst I condemn this behaviour in humans, it is an accurate metaphor for
>this electronic construct and the electronics is not offended by this required behaviour.

The master stage can sell the slave stage?  Still seems like a poor metaphor to me.

I suggest we call the two stages Eccles and Jordan.

Historically,
John