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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Fri, 24 July 2020 15:18 UTC

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From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:18:06 +0100
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To: Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>
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> On 24 Jul 2020, at 10:11, Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
> 
> Christian Hopps wrote:
> 
>> The document actually talks to these points with some references.
> 
> I'm saying the document and the references are all too
> much US centric ignoring both the original and established
> meaning of "slave".
> 
> As
> 
> 	https://www.etymonline.com/word/slave
> 
> 	originally "Slav"
> 
> 	Grose's dictionary (1785) has under Negroe "A
> 	black-a-moor; figuratively used for a slave,"
> 	without regard to race.
> 
> it should be OK to stop using "Negroe", but not "slave",
> which are originally for Slav, whites.
> 
> 					Masataka Ohta
> 
> 
> 

The earliest OED entry is 
a. One who is the property of, and entirely subject to, another person, whether by capture, purchase, or birth; a servant completely divested of freedom and personal rights.

c1290    S. Eng. Leg. <> I. 106   He was sone i-nome, Ase a sclaue forth i-lad and i-don in prisone.

- Stewart

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