Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Tue, 28 July 2020 07:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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Joel M. Halpern wrote:

> Ohta-san, please stop.
>  From where I sit, we are only discussing I-Ds and RFCs here.  Not works 
> of literature.

As I wrote:

: If you think "black" and "white" are improperly used in the
: Lord of the Rings, feel free to modify it or ban it from US
: market along with all the current and *future* fantasies
: and FRPGs doing so.
:
: Only after that, we can start working on less important
: fields of technical terms such as "blacklist".

if literature, in general, is free to use black/dark with
negative meaning, there is no reason to ban use of
black/dark only for technical terms.

That is, you should stop and wait.

Same for "slave".

I expect even US people (not all of them, I hope) will soon
recognize they are pursuing something impossible and
meaningless.

						Masataka Ohta