Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Sun, 26 July 2020 16:05 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
Thread-Topic: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:05:16 +0000
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>    And I'm saying it's not very sincere or effective to ban
    "blacklist" leaving such terms as "black magic" and cultural
    framework that darkness of black is somewhat evil which has
    produced both terminologies.

Does that term appear in RFCs?  If so, then yes, we should neutralize it.