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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Fri, 24 July 2020 06:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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The IESG wrote:

> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-knodel-terminology/

US centric view of the draft as if only blacks were slaves
is totally wrong only to make people in other part of the
world or with knowledge on world history upset or angry.

For example, Christianity was banned in medieval Japan
because Christians exported many Japanese as slaves.

For another example, in ancient Greece, many white people
were enslaved.

As "slave" has long established meaning having nothing
to do especially with blacks in recent (that is, for
these 100 or 200 years) US, it is stupid to ban it.

Or, should we avoid talking on ancient Greece, because
slavery was common?

						Masataka Ohta

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