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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Wed, 29 July 2020 14:54 UTC

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:33:32 -0700
To: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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Hi Nico,
At 08:26 PM 28-07-2020, Nico Williams wrote:
>[I'm not seeing enough context there to understand what you're referring
>to, and I'm not going to read that thread just to see it.  Can you
>summarize what's going on here.  I do understand about recall petitions,
>but that entire subject is rather inside baseball compared to this
>thread.  In particular I'm not seeing what forgiveness has to do with
>Pete's post that you linked to.]

I came across the following well before this thread was started: 
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2013-12-30/2013-offensive-cliche-winner-is-skin-in-the-game- 
It was argued that the phrase, which is found in the message I 
referenced, is an euphemism for "callous".  That is at odds with "empathic".

>Note I'm not saying that we must assume good faith always.  At some
>point one's patience with people who argue in bad faith runs out.

Yes. [1]

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

1.  Sometimes it is better to keep things simple; hence the short response.

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