Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 27 July 2020 14:28 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
Thread-Topic: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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    >>     And I'm saying it's not very sincere or effective to ban
    >      "blacklist" leaving such terms as "black magic" and cultural
    >      framework that darkness of black is somewhat evil which has
    >      produced both terminologies.
    > 
    > Does that term appear in RFCs?  If so, then yes, we should neutralize it.

I meant the specific term "black magic"

Your response was, as I am sure you know, not a good representation of what I have been saying.