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"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Sun, 26 July 2020 04:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: RFC abbreviations list
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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From: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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It may be that we are discussing two different things.
I am not concerned with what abbreviations appear in the "these are 
abbreviations commonly used in the IETF" list.  I am concernwed with the 
subset of that list marked with a *, meaning that they usually do not 
require expansion.   Of the three examples you cite, two are marked with 
a *, the third (RSASSA-PSS) is not so marked.

If the question is how things get into the list at all, that is one 
question, and not something we have to be particularly limited about.
My reading of other notes was that the question was things marked with a 
"*".

Yours,
Joel

On 7/26/2020 12:26 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On 2020-07-26, at 04:32, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
>>
>> that
>> the abbreviation be well-known and immediately obvious to anyone
>> with a significant Internet technical or operational background
>> and experience.
> 
> Hmm, I think the intersection between people knowing what RSVP-TE is, what JSON is, and what RSASSA-PSS is may be smaller than you think.  That bar is a bit high.  I would expect this to be limited to the target group for the specific RFC (which by the way in some cases isn’t “anyone with a significant Internet technical or operational background and experience”).
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
>

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