Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> Mon, 27 July 2020 01:14 UTC

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:14:52 -0700
From: Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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On 7/26/20 3:15 PM, Salz, Rich wrote:
> Dan, it seems that your post says "I worked hard and nothing deterred me, therefore nobody else who really wants it should be deterred,

   In a word: no. That's not what it said. Everyone can be deterred but 
if they are
not deterred by hard work, sacrifice, and delayed gratification then 
they're not
going to be deferred by a mean word. That's the point. It beggars belief.

> therefore people who believe that it is possible must be using this theory of residual fallacy."  Your post only holds if your experience is applicable to everyone, and it's not, so no you didn't convince me.

   The thing is Rich, I'm not the one trying to tell anyone else what 
words they
cannot use. So the burden of convincing is not on me. You seem to think 
that there
are words that we must not use in RFCs anymore. So the burden is 
actually on you.
Go ahead, convince me. I'll wait.

   Dan.