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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sun, 02 August 2020 00:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
To: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 8/1/20 7:05 PM, Richard Barnes wrote:

> The whole point of the draft and statement that kicked off this thread 
> is that people hurt each other without intending to.  That is, the 
> point here is not the "professional wounded person", it's the "wounded 
> professional person", who has to deal with an elevated ambient 
> shittiness level just because of things that are ingrained in the way 
> things work -- and things that are invisible to a lot of folks because 
> of that ingrainedness.  This work is about surfacing those ingrained 
> things, in hopes of reducing the ambient shittiness level for the 
> folks it matters to.

I have the impression that there are multiple kinds of ambient 
shittiness in operation, and different people are concerned about 
different kinds of shittiness.

Keith

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