Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Wed, 29 July 2020 13:33 UTC

Return-Path: <rsalz@akamai.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E503A0B19; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.1
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oV9jo0udvSD7; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:33:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3DA73A0B1C; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 06:33:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0122331.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 06TDTADE030849; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:33:26 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-id : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=jan2016.eng; bh=Bi1Sv6BhTm2JYWwFq+GjHH+tks0c8paxLHgT5eLFHJY=; b=emXT86y23i5mQoJGo/OzoQmmg7+bc3rBy6hKhGPgQjhK70xGTQzrvA9PUuld2ArMw8yb z4+/jpNv3fYPjkZJMXUe73M4opIZMdafPRnWXeOQMzeQf5tlJBaPlrfM2++ULUgKRGeX Tzwap6/nVS2ZzP6DGAvOgQpMBOX5ZooJJvYKA5qCcGOsYoy3KJrwyOTO5IowkR8xQU6p omNr5CbTYt4rFgeIKmvKZKzDNIVe/uzhkXGLmEuHqgpV7aH/7VK4E5jdMljcFyj0esAi yRfgDDvb3Bm+5/XUBrXEupjS+lS4nF4h8FYunGGSgc1W15SnxoOMbmunXQ2n9v62aFV9 FA==
Received: from prod-mail-ppoint1 (prod-mail-ppoint1.akamai.com [184.51.33.18] (may be forged)) by mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 32j223q6ps-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:33:26 +0100
Received: from pps.filterd (prod-mail-ppoint1.akamai.com [127.0.0.1]) by prod-mail-ppoint1.akamai.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 06TD5pOR030895; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:33:25 -0400
Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.31]) by prod-mail-ppoint1.akamai.com with ESMTP id 32gg2yncy7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:33:24 -0400
Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.101) by usma1ex-dag1mb2.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.102) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:33:24 -0400
Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) by usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.006; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:33:24 -0400
From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>
CC: IETF Best Practices <ietf@ietf.org>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
Thread-Topic: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
Thread-Index: AdZlB1lg6F7a6OEL102gFBOwSuAaLwAn3jYAAAVH1QAAAZP5gP//vzmAgABIgAD//8BfAIAAT3WA//+9mYA=
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:33:23 +0000
Message-ID: <2BFCC396-78AA-48CC-9AEF-EAAFC14EEB55@akamai.com>
References: <933ce8b4-78a5-76bf-55c3-7c5694faffbb@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> <267BCA35-3A3F-440B-9F5F-2C818D5AE71A@icloud.com> <e7956fd8-2639-3df6-9539-0dd483cafa25@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> <34CF64D6-10F3-4F45-B592-FA14C911DB0B@chopps.org> <c18fc227-7da0-1487-a2ae-74de1ac73759@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> <CALaySJ+UbSP5nJungBae053q7W_VQ-8yx2pr+KP6S+G81_1_VA@mail.gmail.com> <fd61e3b0-ebe3-2c52-8db0-0b5e0428f6a9@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> <aa3f0cf0-0052-37a7-2d2f-61a64842405c@tele.no> <7e0fde8f-43f0-ccfa-84ad-0c1264db2836@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> <198CDE50-745A-4D57-A844-6B73021434F9@akamai.com> <54665f22-7646-4763-fd80-bc5bd5ac2ef1@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> <17115DD5-B1D1-4FB8-898B-E1C58C61CCCE@akamai.com> <0f743e92-68f3-dc3f-071f-fa458cea2c0a@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>
In-Reply-To: <0f743e92-68f3-dc3f-071f-fa458cea2c0a@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.38.20061401
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted
x-originating-ip: [172.19.41.240]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <25F10AD34310DD4F97317E1FB67D4688@akamai.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.235, 18.0.687 definitions=2020-07-29_07:2020-07-29, 2020-07-29 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=419 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2007290087
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.235, 18.0.687 definitions=2020-07-29_07:2020-07-29, 2020-07-29 signatures=0
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxlogscore=369 priorityscore=1501 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2007290090
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/bFPmVHlmu-stQRLzPLv8xb2eHhg>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:33:31 -0000

>    So, some might be disturbed by "blacklist" of a list of human
    beings, though most should still be indifferent to.

Not quite.  Some might have no problem with "The Master of Flies and his Slaves" in a work of *fiction* but would see it as needlessly harmful when describing a relationship between replica's in a *technical document.*