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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Sun, 09 August 2020 21:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
From: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 00:06:45 +0300
Cc: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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> On 9 Aug 2020, at 22:56, Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@acm.org> wrote:
> 
> On 8/9/20 12:23 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Really, asserting that "master secret"
>>> is problematic is simply credibility-destroying.
>> 
>> Besides your concern, how does one secret actively control another? 
> 
> You are insisting that the only possible meaning of "master" is to control some[one|thing] else.  According to New Oxford American Dictionary Third edition, that's true when used it as a noun, but not when used as an adjective or a verb.

It is not true for nouns either. 

A master of science does not control science and a master of business administration doe not control business administration.

A school master (this is a British usage) is just a male teacher. He does not tend to control the school.

A chess master can beat me at chess, but he doesn’t control the game

And there are many more.

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