Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Fri, 24 July 2020 23:17 UTC

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 01:17:05 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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Thanks, Rich,...Melinda

I probably agree on this, for how languages are used in the human culture, and i
think i only do not like this when it happens as part of a euphemism treadmill, but this is
not i think what is proposed here, although we still might fall into future traps.

Instead, the problem with the suggested process is really more about the inclusiveness
re. the actual IETF community and the target RFC reader community. See the "USA dominion" thread.

Cheers
   Toerless

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 01:58:35PM -0800, Melinda Shore wrote:
> On 7/24/20 1:15 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> > You think it is not only unavoidable, but also fine if over time we have to periodically
> > change the word we use for the same subject because word N-1 has accumulated to much
> > negative connotations ?
> 
> I'm old enough to have seen these sorts of acceptability shifts happen
> in English a few times, and my sense is that it happens roughly once or
> twice per generation.  I think that argument is a red herring.
> 
> Melinda
> 
> 
> -- 
> Melinda Shore
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> 
> Software longa, hardware brevis