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Re: [Offlist] IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Fri, 31 July 2020 16:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Offlist] IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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Nick Hilliard wrote:

>> In Japan, whiter women has been considered better for these
>> 1,000 years, even when there was no broadcast, not even
>> printing.

> But all of that is beside the point.  This discussion resolves around
> whether it's appropriate to use terms which have been historically

How long, do you think, should something last to be able to be
historically meaningfully long?

> associated with discrimination based on colour / gender / ethnicity /
> etc, and where those terms have recently changed to one degree or other

How recent, do you mean, is "recently"?

							Masataka Ohta

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