Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 27 July 2020 16:17 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
CC: Carrick Bartle <cbartle891=40icloud.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
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  *   I’m asking what actions are planned. Or has that been sidelined in favor of discussion?

The IESG posted their statement four days ago. Since then about 200 messages with this subject have been posted, about 60 people commented and the top five are:
  29  "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
  21  Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>
  19  Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
  18  Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
   9  Dan Harkins dharkins@lounge.org<mailto:dharkins@lounge.org>

More than half of all postings were people who posted one or two messages.

TL;DR:  Still early to plan actions I think.