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Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language

Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Mon, 27 July 2020 15:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: IESG Statement On Oppressive or Exclusionary Language
From: Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:30:38 -0700
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Speaking of Lord of the Rings, I’ve realized this community seems to be inspired by the Ents (with liberties):

	“It takes a long time to say anything in IETFish. And we *NEVER* say anything unless it is worth taking a long time to say.:”

I take my inspiration from Yoda (and not should everyone?):

	“Do or do not. There is no try."

Joe

> On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:41 AM Carrick Bartle <cbartle891=40icloud.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40icloud.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
> I agree.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca <mailto:paul@nohats.ca>> wrote:
> > 
> > On Jul 27, 2020, at 09:10, Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org <mailto:dharkins@lounge.org>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> "harm" not found.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, this thread has already harmed the IETF community. Not only by showing a lack of empathy to try and be more inclusive when the costs are low, but also by showing how toxic discussions can get at IETF.
> > 
> > unfortunately, cultural change is very slow.
> > 
> > Paul
>

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